Violet Crumble
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.30 21:34:00 -
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Sally Enviere wrote:I think that PvP bumping should completly be removed from the game. It's an exploit... Bumping slower ships with already long aligning times can prevent them from warping with or without any wardec of yellow flags. This means you can limit a player's movement for hours if you want. Logging off means the solution, but that also limits a player in free movement. There are some exploits around this, so I think, much headache could be spared if PvP bumping would be removed.
It doesn't limit anything and shouldn't be removed.
You want to stop being bumped, fight back or warp away and find an alternative route. It's not difficult.
Quote:For those who gank miners... Aren't miners the ones who dig rocks to sell the minerals that you ships are built by? If you gank all miners in EvE, than you can fly with your pods, smile and bump each other.
It's only the highsec miners that complain. There is plenty of mining going on in lowsec and nullsec that provide resources to build items for the market.
The difference between the highsec and lowsec/nullsec miners though is that the highsec miners have no real interaction with the game. They don't play the game to it's full extent. In many cases, that may be because they are new and haven't learnt all of the different ways to play Eve, so they play the most isolated, unengaged, lonely form of Eve there is.
A large section of gankers, and particularly the bumpers are interested in educating players, not really in bumping or ganking them. They'd be more than happy if the highsec miners chose to move to lowsec/nullsec or decided to learn pvp and fight back, perhaps moved to wormhole space - a whole host of things that result in greater knowledge and much greater interaction with other players. Eve is a social game and AFK mining is the most antisocial, anti-Eve way to play it.
Quote:Why doesn't you PvP enjoying guy shoot each other? Or shoot something that shoots back? Miers are usually guys with low skills, and not much experience in EVE. If you gank them, then they will say: "OMG, EVE sucks!" and leave the game for good. Instead I have a better idea: teach them how to PvP, and on one day they might join you in roaming, and have fun together. Nowadays corps wardec smaller mining corps just for the killboards, and use all their dirty tactics to achieve kills. Usually on miners who does not even have the chance to defend themselves.
It's not about the shooting. It's about educating and it's not true that miners can't shoot back. They can and should. They're going to lose their mining ship anyway, so may as well shoot back or have some combat drones. Or better yet, start talking to othr players, get organised into a Corp, develop a plan of defense and actually implement it.
The most common response is to rage and make idol threats and continue playing the game AFK whenever they can get away with it. Boring.
Miners have the same choices as every other player in the game. They have access to the same tools and mechanics. So they have exactly the same chance to defend themselves as other players do.
Quote:I think, this is becoming a trend nowadays, and I'm pretty sure that many people would consider leaveing EVE because of this, it's not becoming about having fun, but causing other players losses, some losses that they can't recover, or just in long time.
Ganks in highsec happen generally against two classes of player:
1. Players who are generally new to the game, but who've been playing long enough that they should have discvoered more depth to the game than mining in highsec, often AFK; and
2. players with a lot of experience in the game who are hauling valuable cargo through highsec, knowing they'll be at risk.
Group 2 know they may be ganked and don't rage when it happens. They know how the game works and they accept it and figure out what they need to do to avoid the situation in the future (and get revenge in the present in many cases).
Group 1 though are the one's ready to consider rage quitting the first time they are ganked, or file a petition so that someone else can be responsible for acting against the ganker. They don't accept their own responsibility for the situation and then work out how they can play the game to get what they want. They just winge and whine and try to get others to fix their situation.
If they want to quit, good riddance to them. They don't offer anything to the game to begin with, so it's no big loss (and despite claims that this will hurt CCPs bottom line, evidence of player numbers suggests this isn't true).
Quote:I'm sure, after this post, many you minerganker guys will call me a whining miner, but I would say to those peeps to try it on the other side. Even I could bust some lonely miners in lowsec who mine alone, but I didn't, because I know what it's like being killed without the chance to defend myself. Many of you don't know what honorable combat is... Not even to shoot on something that can shoot back...
You have never been killed without the chance to defend yourself. Even in a pod you have choices and can always defend yourself - directly then, at a meta level, later in game. There are always options.
As for honorable combat - there's just combat. Honour doesn't come into it (except in the words in pop-up window when a duel takes place). You win, lose or run away before you lose. Each of them is acceptable and nothing to do with 'honor'. It's internet pixels, not RL.
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